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		<title>By: IcyStorm</title>
		<link>http://www.minimumtempo.com/2009/08/25/boycotting-works-based-on-a-creators-beliefs/comment-page-1/#comment-4001</link>
		<dc:creator>IcyStorm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, considering the past 30 years, games have evolved considerably in their storytelling, haven&#039;t they? I&#039;m sure it&#039;ll progressively get better in its way of actually being able to provide those experiences on the level of literature, music, or film. Some games have already moved some players in such ways; it all depends on the person.

We may have these &quot;lame&quot; shades of grey type of moral choices to change the story and such now, but I think it&#039;s merely another step in approaching games that actually achieve meaning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, considering the past 30 years, games have evolved considerably in their storytelling, haven&#8217;t they? I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;ll progressively get better in its way of actually being able to provide those experiences on the level of literature, music, or film. Some games have already moved some players in such ways; it all depends on the person.</p>
<p>We may have these &#8220;lame&#8221; shades of grey type of moral choices to change the story and such now, but I think it&#8217;s merely another step in approaching games that actually achieve meaning.</p>
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		<title>By: Variable Gear</title>
		<link>http://www.minimumtempo.com/2009/08/25/boycotting-works-based-on-a-creators-beliefs/comment-page-1/#comment-3995</link>
		<dc:creator>Variable Gear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, this happened last year, didn&#039;t it?  A whole bunch of people raised relevant points about the impact that one&#039;s influence and cash can have in our current sociopolitical environment, and many of those people boycotted Shadow Complex.  In return, the ignorant masses who play games complained that people were questioning the medium in any way, just as they reacted negatively to the reaction of those who thought that Resident Evil 5&#039;s imagery was racially insensitive.  &quot;They&#039;re just games,&quot; typed one internet user who shall remain anonymous.  &quot;Everyone should just play them, have fun and relax...&quot;

Hey, despite the fact that I dispute this anonymous user&#039;s point, I don&#039;t disagree that games struggle to achieve any semblance of meaning,  And, because of that lack, Anonymous is right that people should enjoy the games they play.  The problem, however, is that that&#039;s all games can achieve.  Games don&#039;t even approach the uncomfortable feeling that art forms like film, literature and music can provide.  And, any time a game attempts to step outside this well-trod path, it&#039;s achieved through watered down moral choices and &quot;shades of gray,&quot; which is another way of saying completely transparent good or bad choices that, for whatever reason, don&#039;t have their intended effect.  That&#039;s depth right there.  You made a good choice, and, wow, something bad happened.  It didn&#039;t really surprise you, though, since it&#039;s happened at least six times this playthrough.  Also, the character who died didn&#039;t impact your ability to kill enemies, so their disappearance troubled you for nary a moment the first time they passed on.  Oh, the third vendor died in this town?  That&#039;s a huge loss!

Anyway, yeah, I bought Shadow Complex.  The game is garbage, so I was disappointed that I bought it anyway, but Peter David&#039;s comment on Christian&#039;s Gamasutra article on Shadow Complex was baffling and saddening.  He contrasts freedom of speech with the act of boycotting, and comes to the conclusion that boycotting is preventing ideas from being spread by people who want to sell stuff.  For some reason, maybe it&#039;s my attachment to logic, I don&#039;t know, but I find many faults with his point of view and it further sullies my feelings about Shadow Complex.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, this happened last year, didn&#8217;t it?  A whole bunch of people raised relevant points about the impact that one&#8217;s influence and cash can have in our current sociopolitical environment, and many of those people boycotted Shadow Complex.  In return, the ignorant masses who play games complained that people were questioning the medium in any way, just as they reacted negatively to the reaction of those who thought that Resident Evil 5&#8217;s imagery was racially insensitive.  &#8220;They&#8217;re just games,&#8221; typed one internet user who shall remain anonymous.  &#8220;Everyone should just play them, have fun and relax&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Hey, despite the fact that I dispute this anonymous user&#8217;s point, I don&#8217;t disagree that games struggle to achieve any semblance of meaning,  And, because of that lack, Anonymous is right that people should enjoy the games they play.  The problem, however, is that that&#8217;s all games can achieve.  Games don&#8217;t even approach the uncomfortable feeling that art forms like film, literature and music can provide.  And, any time a game attempts to step outside this well-trod path, it&#8217;s achieved through watered down moral choices and &#8220;shades of gray,&#8221; which is another way of saying completely transparent good or bad choices that, for whatever reason, don&#8217;t have their intended effect.  That&#8217;s depth right there.  You made a good choice, and, wow, something bad happened.  It didn&#8217;t really surprise you, though, since it&#8217;s happened at least six times this playthrough.  Also, the character who died didn&#8217;t impact your ability to kill enemies, so their disappearance troubled you for nary a moment the first time they passed on.  Oh, the third vendor died in this town?  That&#8217;s a huge loss!</p>
<p>Anyway, yeah, I bought Shadow Complex.  The game is garbage, so I was disappointed that I bought it anyway, but Peter David&#8217;s comment on Christian&#8217;s Gamasutra article on Shadow Complex was baffling and saddening.  He contrasts freedom of speech with the act of boycotting, and comes to the conclusion that boycotting is preventing ideas from being spread by people who want to sell stuff.  For some reason, maybe it&#8217;s my attachment to logic, I don&#8217;t know, but I find many faults with his point of view and it further sullies my feelings about Shadow Complex.</p>
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		<title>By: The Longcoat</title>
		<link>http://www.minimumtempo.com/2009/08/25/boycotting-works-based-on-a-creators-beliefs/comment-page-1/#comment-3799</link>
		<dc:creator>The Longcoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In regard to His Dark Materials: That is called Gnosticism, friend. In case your poking at it being &quot;Anti-Catholic&quot; or &quot;let&#039;s-all-kill-God&quot;; It isn&#039;t. Just throwing that out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regard to His Dark Materials: That is called Gnosticism, friend. In case your poking at it being &#8220;Anti-Catholic&#8221; or &#8220;let&#8217;s-all-kill-God&#8221;; It isn&#8217;t. Just throwing that out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Hidoshi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hidoshi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I think boycotting work can be done, it depends on how closely related the author is with the product. I believe strongly in boycotting musicians because of shitty personal or business practices, as well as studios. In gaming? It&#039;s harder to say. There&#039;s a far more diverse team working on a game than their is producing music.

Where one might argue that music is produced by many sound engineers and so on, the fact is that music often reflects the personal ideology of a person, and can be seen as an extension of the egos. That is, most individually derived music. This becomes harder in a band, or when the music is for a product.

It&#039;s all very complex. I think Card&#039;s a good writer, and for that I don&#039;t mind buying his books. But I also want to smack him around the head for being a douche. At the very least, if his writing is not an agent of his views, I don&#039;t mind. I can&#039;t say the same for the writer of His Dark Materials, the Golden Compass, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I think boycotting work can be done, it depends on how closely related the author is with the product. I believe strongly in boycotting musicians because of shitty personal or business practices, as well as studios. In gaming? It&#8217;s harder to say. There&#8217;s a far more diverse team working on a game than their is producing music.</p>
<p>Where one might argue that music is produced by many sound engineers and so on, the fact is that music often reflects the personal ideology of a person, and can be seen as an extension of the egos. That is, most individually derived music. This becomes harder in a band, or when the music is for a product.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all very complex. I think Card&#8217;s a good writer, and for that I don&#8217;t mind buying his books. But I also want to smack him around the head for being a douche. At the very least, if his writing is not an agent of his views, I don&#8217;t mind. I can&#8217;t say the same for the writer of His Dark Materials, the Golden Compass, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Zex Marquise</title>
		<link>http://www.minimumtempo.com/2009/08/25/boycotting-works-based-on-a-creators-beliefs/comment-page-1/#comment-3793</link>
		<dc:creator>Zex Marquise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 21:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think boycotting a work because someone who put a minimal amount of effort into it has differing beliefs than yours is ridiculous. No one boycotted Advent Rising when he penned the story for that, with his Humans Are Gods-Mormon theology as the core of the story.  If the work in question was primarily that person&#039;s work and you don&#039;t agree with what they have to say in that work, by all means don&#039;t buy it. Boycotting this game because Card doesn&#039;t like man-love is like boycotting a movie because you have a beef with the camera man.

And as Michael said, we buy the product, not its maker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think boycotting a work because someone who put a minimal amount of effort into it has differing beliefs than yours is ridiculous. No one boycotted Advent Rising when he penned the story for that, with his Humans Are Gods-Mormon theology as the core of the story.  If the work in question was primarily that person&#8217;s work and you don&#8217;t agree with what they have to say in that work, by all means don&#8217;t buy it. Boycotting this game because Card doesn&#8217;t like man-love is like boycotting a movie because you have a beef with the camera man.</p>
<p>And as Michael said, we buy the product, not its maker.</p>
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		<title>By: Sakura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sakura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 02:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally agree with the part about ending up buying nothing if you base all your purchases on your beliefs.  

Its sort of how if you believe every study that comes out about food, you pretty much wouldn&#039;t be able to eat anything.  Remember when they said eggs were bad, well now it turns out they are good for you!

I think the boycott is pointless in that it probably isn&#039;t going to accomplish much or affect sales too badly.

But on the other hand, if that&#039;s how those groups choose to promote their belief then there isn&#039;t anything wrong with it either.  They are more than likely fully aware that it isn&#039;t really going to affect much in the grand scheme of things.

But just by making a big ruckus about it, they might get a few more people to see their point and join their cause.

Because really I agree, I don&#039;t think its going to do anything to change the mind of the creator.  So to do it for that reason would be pointless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agree with the part about ending up buying nothing if you base all your purchases on your beliefs.  </p>
<p>Its sort of how if you believe every study that comes out about food, you pretty much wouldn&#8217;t be able to eat anything.  Remember when they said eggs were bad, well now it turns out they are good for you!</p>
<p>I think the boycott is pointless in that it probably isn&#8217;t going to accomplish much or affect sales too badly.</p>
<p>But on the other hand, if that&#8217;s how those groups choose to promote their belief then there isn&#8217;t anything wrong with it either.  They are more than likely fully aware that it isn&#8217;t really going to affect much in the grand scheme of things.</p>
<p>But just by making a big ruckus about it, they might get a few more people to see their point and join their cause.</p>
<p>Because really I agree, I don&#8217;t think its going to do anything to change the mind of the creator.  So to do it for that reason would be pointless.</p>
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		<title>By: Skribulous</title>
		<link>http://www.minimumtempo.com/2009/08/25/boycotting-works-based-on-a-creators-beliefs/comment-page-1/#comment-3777</link>
		<dc:creator>Skribulous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 05:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boycotting Shadow Complex because of Peter David would have been a more valid reason than Orson Scott Card. Given PAD&#039;s recent activities in the comic world, he&#039;s an embarrassment to the causes he supposedly champions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boycotting Shadow Complex because of Peter David would have been a more valid reason than Orson Scott Card. Given PAD&#8217;s recent activities in the comic world, he&#8217;s an embarrassment to the causes he supposedly champions.</p>
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		<title>By: ETERNAL</title>
		<link>http://www.minimumtempo.com/2009/08/25/boycotting-works-based-on-a-creators-beliefs/comment-page-1/#comment-3776</link>
		<dc:creator>ETERNAL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 03:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d have to feel &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; strongly about an issue to boycott because of it, but I&#039;d never boycott something if there aren&#039;t any overtones in the work itself. For a situation like this, the game is completely irrelevant, and I think Michael said what I&#039;m thinking quite well. There&#039;s no need to drag the creator &#039;s personal life or beliefs into a work of fiction that they created.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d have to feel <i>really</i> strongly about an issue to boycott because of it, but I&#8217;d never boycott something if there aren&#8217;t any overtones in the work itself. For a situation like this, the game is completely irrelevant, and I think Michael said what I&#8217;m thinking quite well. There&#8217;s no need to drag the creator &#8217;s personal life or beliefs into a work of fiction that they created.</p>
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		<title>By: Author</title>
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		<dc:creator>Author</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In presidential election 2008, McCain was more friendly to same-sex marriage than Obama (who is a radical christianist and actively opposed gays throughout his career). And yet gays threw out their interest in gay marriage in order to vote for Obama. If gays do not want gay marriage enough to vote for it, why should I support it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In presidential election 2008, McCain was more friendly to same-sex marriage than Obama (who is a radical christianist and actively opposed gays throughout his career). And yet gays threw out their interest in gay marriage in order to vote for Obama. If gays do not want gay marriage enough to vote for it, why should I support it?</p>
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		<title>By: IcyStorm</title>
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		<dc:creator>IcyStorm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 07:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I laughed so much at this comment that I don&#039;t know what to say. I don&#039;t even understand what your position is and what you&#039;re trying to tell me. I never advocated or argued against same-sex marriage in this post.

And who cares about same-sex marriage? Quite a lot of people, both those who want it and those who are adamantly against it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I laughed so much at this comment that I don&#8217;t know what to say. I don&#8217;t even understand what your position is and what you&#8217;re trying to tell me. I never advocated or argued against same-sex marriage in this post.</p>
<p>And who cares about same-sex marriage? Quite a lot of people, both those who want it and those who are adamantly against it.</p>
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